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, it was more about obsoleting all the Monk stat blocks in all the adventure paths they had printed.

You mean like how they obsoleted all the stat blocks ever by introducing CMB/CMD?

But PR, that's just a quick bit of calculation and jotting it down! </Pathfailure>

FrankTrollman wrote:Mostly, people just don't want to make jump checks.

Yeah, the jump check system is pretty much ass. You can't even make anime-style leaps as a 20th level character.

At 5th level, a monk adds his level to all Acrobatics checks made to jump, both for vertical jumps and horizontal jumps. In addition, he always counts as having a running start when making jump checks using Acrobatics. By spending 1 point from his ki pool as a swift action, a monk gains a +20 bonus on Acrobatics checks made to jump for 1 round.

They can in Pathfinder.

FrankTrollman wrote:I don't understand why it was a pressing concern to make sure people never crited with kamas. That's really weird to me.

-Username17

Actually, there is an alternate class feature for the Monk that lets them roll three d20s and pick the best two to be their attack roll and confirmation roll. They give up Stunning Fist and get Perfect Strike and this ability.

The Zen Archer Monk gets this with bows.

TOZ wrote:But PR, that's just a quick bit of calculation and jotting it down! </Pathfailure>

...Power Attack.

*awaits much lulz here*

Arcane Blast wrote: You can convert any spell into an attack.
Prerequisites: Arcane spellcaster, caster level 10th.
Benefit: As a standard action, you can sacrifice a
prepared spell or unused spell slot of 1st level or higher
and transform it into a ray, targeting any foe within 30
feet as a ranged touch attack. This attack deals 2d6 points
of damage plus an additional 1d6 points of damage for
every level of the spell or spell slot you sacrificed. 0-level
spells may not be sacrificed in this manner.

They can play blaster mage all day now with none of that pesky spell selection!

I'm glad that I can sacrifice a ninth-level spell for 11d6 damage.

EDIT:

Mounted Skirmisher (Combat)
You are adept at attacking from upon a swift moving steed.

Prerequisites: Ride rank 14, Mounted Combat, Trick
Riding.

Benefit: If your mount moves its speed or less, you can
still take a full-attack action.

Normal: If your mount moves more than 5 feet, you can
only take an attack action.

Delicious charge attacks.

I don't recall... but isn't isn't that about the same damage one those shitty reserve feats from Complete Mage would do without burning a spell slot?

sake wrote:I don't recall... but isn't isn't that about the same damage one those shitty reserve feats from Complete Mage would do without burning a spell slot?

Pretty much yes except this feat does "Ultima" damage.

jesus, does Paizo actively try to write shitty fluff for feats? it's so bland....

It's typical 3.5E/4E style filler. I pretty much blame Book of Nine Swords for foisting that crap on us, because that's when it started to get really bad.

I really, really hate that shit. It pads out the word count without adding any crunch. Now I don't mind some fluff, I think around a half of a book should be fluff, but in those cases it's just obvious filler meant to inflate a word count without really entertaining players.

Hacks.

I don't mind feat fluff. I mind shitty, bland, generic fluff. The descriptions of feats in Tome are great, and this is because K and Frank can write good prose. Apparently the people of Paizo cannot fucking write their way out of a god damned paper bag!

Lago PARANOIA wrote:It's typical 3.5E/4E style filler. I pretty much blame Book of Nine Swords for foisting that crap on us, because that's when it started to get really bad.

I've gotten to the point that I don't even read the first paragraph in any maneuver's description. And I'm not talking about the italicized paragraph, either. I can think of one or two rare exceptions where there's actually a mechanical rule somewhere in that first sentence. I don't know why they needed two sets of flavor text. It's really bad when it's longer than the rules text.


Drawing on your inner power, you raise your sword above your head, let out a yell, and bring your steely blade crashing into your opponent. Your foe is shaken terribly by the might of your well-placed strike.
Oh, by the way, you deal +2d6 damage this attack.

Prak_Anima wrote:I don't mind feat fluff. I mind shitty, bland, generic fluff. The descriptions of feats in Tome are great, and this is because K and Frank can write good prose. Apparently the people of Paizo cannot fucking write their way out of a god damned paper bag!

I guess that is why their adventure paths are so highly recommended, right? Well, outside the den, where you cannot mention Pathfinder without some people getting a Tourette syndrom attack.

RobbyPants wrote:

Lago PARANOIA wrote:It's typical 3.5E/4E style filler. I pretty much blame Book of Nine Swords for foisting that crap on us, because that's when it started to get really bad.

I've gotten to the point that I don't even read the first paragraph in any maneuver's description. And I'm not talking about the italicized paragraph, either. I can think of one or two rare exceptions where there's actually a mechanical rule somewhere in that first sentence. I don't know why they needed two sets of flavor text. It's really bad when it's longer than the rules text.


Drawing on your inner power, you raise your sword above your head, let out a yell, and bring your steely blade crashing into your opponent. Your foe is shaken terribly by the might of your well-placed strike.
Oh, by the way, you deal +2d6 damage this attack.

See, if you hadn't read the 'flavor text' you wouldn't know that your opponent was shaken.

Yeah! They have to be really careful with non-italicized flavor text, because you might seriously run into that.

There's a monk feat that requires +16 BaB, a full-round action for a single unarmed strike, only against someone who's dazed/flat-footed/stunned/paralyzed/staggered/unconscious, and must successfully crit. Once all that happens, then the victim has to make a Fort save or be petrified.

They brought back Elemental Substitution in the APG, but this time it costs 1 spell level to apply it.

virgil wrote:There's a monk feat that requires +16 BaB, a full-round action for a single unarmed strike, only against someone who's dazed/flat-footed/stunned/paralyzed/staggered/unconscious, and must successfully crit. Once all that happens, then the victim has to make a Fort save or be petrified.

They brought back Elemental Substitution in the APG, but this time it costs 1 spell level to apply it.

+16 BAB?

Don't monks cap at 15?

I don't think it is meant for monks.

Edit: Unless they forgot to say it was added as a monk bonus feat somewhere. Which considering the sloppy editing of the Inquisitor class, I would not be surprised by.

True Sacrifice wrote: At 20th level, in a final self less act, a
monk of the healing hand can draw in his entire ki, which
then explodes outward in a 50-foot-radius emanation. All
dead allies within the emanation are brought back to life,
as if they were the subject of a true resurrection spell with a
caster level equal to the monk’s level. When the monk does
this, he is truly and utterly destroyed. A monk destroyed in
this way can never come back to life, not even by way of a
wish or miracle spell or by the power of a deity. Furthermore,
the monk’s name can never be spoken or written down
again. All written mentions of his name become nothing
more than a blank space. This ability replaces perfect self.

Yes, the monk, having attained 20th level through DM pity, realizes how much he sucks and can finally perform a valuable act for the party. Committing suicide to rez the real party members and never coming back.

TOZ wrote:

True Sacrifice wrote: At 20th level, in a final self less act, a
monk of the healing hand can draw in his entire ki, which
then explodes outward in a 50-foot-radius emanation. All
dead allies within the emanation are brought back to life,
as if they were the subject of a true resurrection spell with a
caster level equal to the monk’s level. When the monk does
this, he is truly and utterly destroyed. A monk destroyed in
this way can never come back to life, not even by way of a
wish or miracle spell or by the power of a deity. Furthermore,
the monk’s name can never be spoken or written down
again. All written mentions of his name become nothing
more than a blank space. This ability replaces perfect self.

Yes, the monk, having attained 20th level through DM pity, realizes how much he sucks and can finally perform a valuable act for the party. Committing suicide to rez the real party members and never coming back.

Is that for real, or a joke?

CatharzGodfoot wrote:Is that for real, or a joke?

Copypasta direct from my PDF.

I've flipped through the APG. It feels like any number of WotC splat books published during the 3.5 era. That's what disappoints me most of all, instead of making things better they just make more things.

If this where a game, and I was going to make a Profession (Gamedesigner) check to see if I could improve Monks, it would be impossible to fail, the DC is so damn low because Monks suck so damn hard. I know a lot of people here hate Buhlman, I think the APG came out the way it did because he didn't want to change the game, he didn't want to rock the boat so instead of rolling Profession (Gamedesigner) he rolled bluff when he talked about what would be in the game.

One thing that resonates with me, I want to like Bards, but I can't because in core they are basically cheer-leaders. Buhlman said he would add spells to Bards which let them do more than just buff, but low and behold their are none. You can sing and love it. The closest he came was including a Bard kit that lets them choose spells from other caster's list, but only 5 over 20 levels (if you don't dip). So any smart player is going to add the level reduced versions of summon monster from the Summoner's list because Buhlman was too lazy to design a new type of spell progression.

You know what I picture as a perfect bard?

Add Perform (cha) to a beguiler's skill list. There you go.

Never liked the "jack of all trades" bard.